今天突然听公司HR说,我老婆没有带薪产假,因为什么她属于管理级别的,薪水超过2000,公司可以不给带薪产假。
请教各位懂这方面的朋友帮忙指点。
(我们都是PR)老婆在公司服务了3年。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
没听说过管理级别就没有产假的,这是新加坡政府规定的阿,至少2个月啊
但是,公司HR说MOM有这个规定,公司可给可不给。
难道生完孩子第2天来上班。
扯淡
从来没听说过,你打个电话给MOM看看。这么小气,私人公司?
有2个月带薪产假的 (在公司服务了3年)
回复 nikesb 的帖子
MOM有关PR产假的网页
http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment … aternity-leave.aspx
Maternity leave for a foreigner or PR working in Singapore
The employee is entitled to 12 weeks of maternity leave if she is covered under the Employment Act, regardless of her nationality. She will be paid by her employer for the first eight weeks of maternity leave if she has fewer than two living children (excluding the newborn), and she has served her employer for at least 90 days before the birth of the child. Beyond the first eight weeks, maternity payment from the employer is voluntary and the employer is not entitled to claim any reimbursement from the government
回复 nikesb 的帖子
这是新加坡劳工法有关产假的内容:
PART IX
MATERNITY PROTECTION AND BENEFITS
AND CHILDCARE LEAVE FOR PARENT
Length of benefit period
76. —(1) Subject to this section, every female employee shall be entitled to absent herself from work —
(a) during —
(i) the period of 4 weeks immediately before her confinement; and
(ii) the period of 8 weeks immediately after her confinement;
(b) during a period of 12 weeks, as agreed to by her and her employer, commencing —
(i) not earlier than 28 days immediately preceding the day of her confinement; and
(ii) not later than the day of her confinement; or
(c) during —
(i) a period of 8 weeks, as agreed to by her and her employer, commencing —
(A) not earlier than 28 days immediately preceding the day of her confinement; and
(B) not later than the day of her confinement; and
(ii) one or more further periods, not exceeding 24 days in the aggregate, as agreed to by her and her employer, which shall be within the period of 12 months commencing on the day of her confinement.
[41/2004;28/2008]
(1A) Subject to this section, every female employee shall be entitled to receive payment from her employer at her gross rate of pay for any of the following periods (referred to in this Part as the benefit period):
(a) where subsection (1)(a) applies, the period of 4 weeks referred to in subsection (1)(a)(i) and the first 4 weeks of the period referred to in subsection (1)(a)(ii);
(b) where subsection (1)(b) applies, the first 8 weeks of the period referred to in subsection (1)(b); or
(c) where subsection (1)(c) applies, the period of 8 weeks referred to in subsection (1)(c)(i).
[41/2004]
(2) A female employee who delivers a child before 31st October 2008, and whose estimated delivery date for her confinement in respect of that child (as certified by a medical practitioner) is before 31st October 2008, shall not be entitled to any pay during the benefit period if she has served her employer for less than 180 days immediately preceding the day of her confinement.
[28/2008]
(2A) A female employee who delivers a child on or after 31st October 2008, or who delivers a child before 31st October 2008 but whose estimated delivery date for her confinement in respect of that child (as certified by a medical practitioner) is on or after 31st October 2008, shall not be entitled to any pay during the benefit period if she has served her employer for less than 90 days immediately preceding the day of her confinement.
[28/2008]
(3) Where a female employee has worked in her employment for any day during the benefit period before her confinement, she shall be entitled to receive in addition to her gross rate of pay for that day an amount that is equivalent to a day’s pay at the gross rate of pay or to absent herself from work on another day at the end of the benefit period.
[36/95]
(4) Subject to any collective agreement or award to the contrary, a female employee shall not be entitled to any payment under subsection (1A) for any confinement if, at the time of the confinement —
(a) she has 2 or more living children; and
(b) those children were born during more than one previous confinement.
[41/2004;32/2008]
(5) Subsection (4) shall not apply to such class or classes of employees as the Minister may, from time to time by notification in the Gazette, specify.
(6) Where the employment of a female employee is terminated (whether by resignation or dismissal, upon the completion of her contract of service, or for any other reason) before she has exercised, wholly or partly, her entitlement to absent herself from work during a period referred to in subsection (1)(c)(ii), she shall forfeit that entitlement (or the balance thereof) upon the termination of her employment.
回复 nikesb 的帖子
从MOM有关说明和劳工法的规定:
妇女享有12个星期的产假。其中8个星期的产假是由雇主还的。
换句话说,你太太可以请产假12个星期,并且雇主要付给她8个星期的薪水。
HR说管理级别的员工不是UNDER Employment Act
所以可以不给带薪假期,公司算个大公司,属于迪拜政府的。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
有关法律我已经贴在前面了。在现实中该怎么办,看你们的考量了。
之前在报纸上看过有关投诉,雇主应该给的产假和薪水不给。但工作妇女怕得罪雇主,不敢向MOM投诉,只能忍气吞声。
我个人的建议,你太太可以跟HR暗示:“是吗?那我要去MOM问一问。”看看HR怎么反应再说。有点头脑的HR听你这么说就知道骗不了你,也许会改口风。但是我不确定,毕竟,我无法揣摩某些雇主的想法。
回复 凝静悠远 的帖子
产假的部分是PART IX。你说Part IV是普通的情况,比如annual leave之类。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
请把我贴的MOM条例和劳工法有关部分仔细看几遍。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
我公司其中一个Partner的薪水别说2千,都超过2万了。她一样有带薪产假。
不确定的话你亲自去MOM跑一趟(MOM的电话很难打得进去),问个清清楚楚。
谢谢各位的帮忙,HR说了 ,不明白去找MOM, 说公司没有违反新加坡政府规定,如果想要带新假,就可以申请上诉,最终还是要HR的头批准才可以。
现在我老婆的合同还是当初拿SP 的时候签的,有效期和当时准证一样,才一年,拿到PR后HR也没说重新签合同,一直是这样过来的,PR都拿了2年多,真是无语,2000一个月居然就算是管理级别。
原来只听说新航的空姐和新传媒的女演员是没有带薪产假的,可见这个带薪产假的条文可以有不同解读的
笑死了,HR真会唬人。2000还管理级别,还没有带薪产假。
我薪水有好几个2000,还是有4个月带薪产假(PR)。我们公司是PR也有4个月,政府规定是PR2个月。
刚才给MOM打电话了,那边的接线员一听说我老婆是助理工程师,还属于M级别的,都不知道怎么给我解答了,他说M级别的要在工作中有直接管理的下属,还能决定公司招聘和裁员,但我说老婆只是被别人领导,对招聘裁员更没什么影响,HR说之所以把我老婆划到M级别,是因为她具备这个能力,只是现在公司还没有给她这个级别的任务。MOM那哥们听完都不知道怎么解答了,告诉我明天让他们的官员联系我。
MOM的回答是,如果是M级别的员工,就不受那个劳工法保护,有没有产假,要看双方的合同协议,公司可以不给。
回复 凝静悠远 的帖子
你是怎么看的啊?
Maternity leave for a foreigner or PR working in Singapore
The employee is entitled to 12 weeks of maternity leave if she is covered under the Employment Act, regardless of her nationality.
Employment Act 是cover所有工人的。不只公民和PR,连foreigner都cover!
公民(准确地说是小孩是公民的妈妈)是特殊情况,是CDC那边特别补贴的,享有16个星期的产假。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
MOM已经确定了。那就没有办法了。
我也是第一次听说有这样的法律漏洞。真是上有政策,下有对策啊。
我问过公司的人,每个人也是第一次听说。还好我们公司好,不然按你太太的那种情况,我太太也是拿不了带薪产假了。
我要重新修正我对新加坡法律的看法了。漏洞还是有的,早知道大选的时候就跟议员投诉了。
薪水5000的照样有带薪产假,得上网查询一下。
刚才接到MOM长官的电话,她是说,如果属于管理级别,主要看JOB DUTY ,公司是可以不给带薪产假的,如果员工有疑问,可以去MOM和雇主打官司。
真不相信有这种事,太不合理了。建议楼主去找国会议员反映情况。条律本身就有问题。
从MOM的反馈来说,如果出生的小孩不是公民,孩子的母亲是管理级别的员工,雇主还真可以不给带薪产假。彻底无语。。。
一般公司都会给带薪产假, PR的话是12个星期, 小孩是公民的话是16个星期.
如果这个公司这么想办法来不给你太太产假, 那你太太是不是可以考虑辞职啊?
还真的有公司这样干!
绝!
等待正解。。。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
我刚刚打电话给我认识的律师。
她说这种情况,公司就是走法律的灰色地带。这种情况你可以告公司,但一来你肯定耗不起,二来公司可以弄一些文件出来证明你太太从事管理工作。
@@#&#,我也是第一次听到有这样漏洞的。
这样的公司太可恶了:@
看来是可以的!
回复 vivocity2010 的帖子
这个案件要感谢楼主,让我们上了一课。
第一次听说有这种做法。实在是牛啊。
哎,这样的漏洞居然存在,新加坡有些条例该改了。
既然公司走的是法律漏洞,那么LZ就只有耍无赖手段来维护正当权益了–
写华文信去早报网投诉!翻译成英文写去straits times投诉!
相信媒体对这种题材一定非常感兴趣的
我想应该不至于这么搞吧,希望和公司能商量出个结果来。
我想知道,没有产假,违反新加坡妇女宪章吗。
太无理了吧。。我的公司永久居民虽然没有3个月,但2个月产假是有的。。真是无语了。。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
其实写文章去报社投诉在新加坡是很常见的,而且如果引起关注的话,效果非常好。
公司这种做法太恶心了,但如果LZ不希望老婆和公司闹僵…那么就先商量,双方各退一步是最好。
这还是我第一次听说有这种事,一直以来听说的都是政府法定女性(包括外国人)有2个月的产假。很好奇的问一句,公司其他女员工都没有产假拿的么?
回复 shmilying 的帖子
HR说了,只要是属于管理级别的员工,孩子不是新加坡国籍的都没有产假,因为管理级别的薪水高过2000,不受劳工法限制。
现在还有一个马来西亚华人pr也和我老婆一个情形,公司也说一定没有。
回复 nikesb 的帖子
都什么时候的法律!现在什么年代了,管理层有可能只有2000月薪吗?现在大学毕业生都两千多起跳!这种漏洞还真的要补上。太不公平了。
非常无耻的公司,AE也是管理层, 估计这个公司除了manager都没人了。支持曝光。
回复 凝静悠远 的帖子
我也有地方记错了。你的那个管理层的说法是对的,我以为产假这条对此不适用,我错了。没关系,我们又不是专业律师,错了很正常。知道有错的地方,说明我们有收获。我还是第一次听到这种钻漏洞的做法。